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It is a tribute to all of the engineers and programmers who  ever worked on the Adam, or contributed to the Adam          community. As is happening throughout society, the year 2000 is one to look back on past successes and especially future  possibilities. That is the philosophy of this upcomifS for a regular full delegate sharing a room for 4 nights (Thursday night to      Sunday night) including all breakfasts, lunches and of       course the Banquet. The big project will be to premier the   Coleco Adam repository -- a CD-ROM with all of the best PD,  articles, information and guides for the Adam that we can    assemble in one place. If you have any electronic donations  contact Dale directly. Your's To Discover The Tourism Ontario slogan is Ontario "Your's to Discover"   -- and that applies r mascot the pink dinosaur. During the convention we are planning on having a wide array of session including a hands on lab. Also AdamCon is your chance to pick up accessories, replacement parts and trivia about the Adam. More informationThere is now a registration form on the AdamCon site. Register now. Volunteer to lead a session. Look for more details on the hotel and the city in Bulletin 3 as well as directions on how to get there. AdamCon is coming to town! Dale Wick, Chairman of AdamCon 0Ch  or hands on lessons. Also, I am looking  for a hardware wizard, and help with other before hand setup issues. Finally, I am looking for equipment that can be      brought for the conference for the hands on lab. More to come! Keep your eyes peeled, because there will be more bulletins  on the way with rate schedule and all of the details as they come into focus. look for this bulletin and more at:         http://www.adamcon.org/12/ Sincerely, Dale Wick, Chairman of AdamCon 0Ch dmwick@home.com ng       AdamCon. ATTENTION:  The convention date has been set for JULY 20-23.  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Wow!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Absolutley. It would be 4 x 8MB TDOS and 10 x             8.8MB EOS.            <rich> Maybe we can inspire Scott or McQ or Shawn or someone to take             up that challenge            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Or Loren Guyaz.            > Sounds intriguing...            > I'd li   floppies too            <rich> In fact with an LS120 you wouldn't need a hard disc            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, get me a per board price, minimum run             and I'll okay the expenditure.            <rich> When you get the price, Dale, fill me in - maybe some day             someone will ask me for one            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, the only problem is a question of             TDOS/EOS driver support for the floppy dirve capabilioty of an             LS-120.               <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I work on one then get stuck or inspired and             switch.            > Looked, yes. Thoroughly examined it, no -- but I plan on getting             around to it, just too busy at the moment.            <rich> Scot, have you saved teh transcriopt of this session? We're             getting near teh refresh level            > Any chance any of these making it to ADAMCON?            > Yes, Rich.            <rich> OK, do consider posting it around the Adam mailing list ZIp or Superdisc, will the Adam support anything over 64             MB?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, yes and no. The most obvious way to             support it wouldn't but if someone were ambitious enough it is             possible.            <rich> Like, writing an Adam version of System Commander?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Right now the last 32MB are for TDOS. EOS can             using anything up to 16GB.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> A long time software wish list item  0Ch> MTAG only has an immediate need for 8. But             there is a minimum run.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> We'll keep the rest, or throw them out as             appropriate.            <rich> Will the same card allow a two-device cable?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes Rich. You too could have 2 hard disks in             your Adam...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> or a CD-ROM and an IDE ZIP disk.            <rich> Better still, an LS120 drive - they can handle standard          ke to help Dale get this CD-ROM interface working...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> All of my programming lately has been on             AdamEm working on a variety of SuperGames and SuperGame             prototypes.            > Of couse, there's only so much time...            > You're working on SuperGames? Like Dragon?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, did you ever look into the Mayan             example I showed you?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'm working on 5 I guess.         <rich> I think the LS120 will also handle the 720K format            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> And of course the Millinium OS drivers for             the plethora of possible combinations of hardware.            <rich> I haven't tried it on mine but think I saw something to that             effect somewhere            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The LS-120 will at least handle 1.44MB 3.5"             floppys.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I don't know about 720k floppies though.            <rich> On a            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Most recently I've been working on a kayaking             simulation. I haven't found a satisfactory rendering algorithm             yet, So right now I'm doing prototyping of different methods.            > It's going into an HTML file.            <rich> Good, thast should be relatively small and transmit easily            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Has anyone talked to Rich Drushel recently?            > What tools are you using for graphics?            <Dinosaur Dale/ "touching up" tool.            > I use Photoshop for scanning, titling, etc. I do the color             processing on the ADAM -- the process is still evolving; I'm still             learning             how to incorporate            > my IBM into the process.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, are you still interested in working             with me on a game before AdamCon, or would you like to wait             until after AdamCon?            > I'd love to work on it, but we need some kind   " in a C program to be translated and converted.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I also have conversion programs for Unix...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> and of course there is Marcel's conversion             program...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> but I haven't been using it lately.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I don't usually use PhotoShop since I need to             end up with some very specific results, and I feel that it is             not specific enough.            <Dinosa...            > What are my choices.            > We both need to understand the source code, of which I haven't             seen.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> but I need the graphics for the characters. I             can email you the specs if that would be appropraite.            > You need someone to draw the sprites, okay, what else?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The source code is based on the Mayan             adventure code.            > Okay, I can examine that.            > Whatesults. I would                         guess that you would be better at that.            > But the graphics still need touching up with some type of Paint             program like a PowerPAINT, etc.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I've actually got an editor that draws on the             Amiga and X Windows in an Adam color palette with the same             color restrictions.            <rich> Isd that to get around the Adam bleeding problem, Scott?            > That's what I'm developing. TheAC 0Ch> Of course the working versions will be at             AdamCon, but as for finishing any of them, I don't know.            > Are you using PowerPAINT?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> For graphics I use a 4 step process usually:             sketch, convert to tiles, flaten colours, convert to VDP format.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I sometime scan my sketches...            > So you use Photoshop?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I often enter it as source code like: "xxx xx           of schedule.            > Also, we need to define what tasks remain and who needs to do             what, etc.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well we need to first agree on the project.             Single Dragon is what we talked about before.            > We need to both be working with relatively the same tools...            > First of all, what projects are open?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> So far I have a scrolling background engine,             and a streetscape for hand to hand combatur Dale/AC 0Ch> But MS Paint in 16 colour mode works well.            > I'm a big Photoshop user.            > Absolutely love it.            > It can do about anything and then its images can be converted over             using Marcel's programs.            <rich> As long as you get a bitmap with 4-bit colour depth, that's             what you need, isn't it?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> PhotoShow is a tool I use for "continious             tone" results. I haven't tried it for fixed palette r about the backgrounds?            > The title screen?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The next be stumper is the playability. I             need to work on my session...            > How large are the environments?            > How many environments?            > Control needs to be the central issue.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> which is about building AIs for non-player             characters. That requires some work on a specification of how             the various villans should behave.    <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> and of course a scoring system and some             secrets to discover.            > I could handle voice recording on this end if we decide to utilize             the CD-ROM.            > CD-ROM > for a special ADAMCON presentation.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Finally there is my Kayaking simulation which             is a kayaking version of something like Antartic Adventure or             Turbo maybe.            > Suprised that you're not much into RPG's.        s            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> there are four colored marbles moving on a             board a t a time. The user has discs that can grab or launch             balls and direct them...            > Sounds really good.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> For that game, there need to be features             (extra items which affect the "blowing of wheels" -- the default             rule requiring 4 balls and that's all)...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Such as "stop lights" that require a certareally be anything. It             could be a RPG. It is not really well enough defined to know             for sure.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I am writing a variety of games to master the             OS7 API for my AdamCon presentations. I really don't play...            > Hi Guy!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> many games. I do like Indiana Jones/Tomb             Raider/Relic Hunter kinda stuff in general.            > This game, would it require a 64K memory expander?            <Guy n a CD-ROM             soundtrack.            > I have a good tool called "Acid" by Sonic Foundry as well as other             sound tools.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> There is of course Mayan Adventure...            > Mayan adventure, like Indianna Jones or Montezuma's Revenge?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> which needs an AI, mazes, an intro video (I             have story boards but I need to get the artwork together)...            > What do you want to see finished most of all?                    <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I can describe what the concept is so far.            > What other games are you working on?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I've drawn a title screen, though it could be             colorized or animated.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'm also working on a game called "Spin Baby"             which involves a realtime control of marbles...            > Any adventure games (other than Mayan adventure)?            <rich> That sounds about as easy as herding cat    <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Anything that you can do in MIDI format is             eligible for the Adam.            > I'm into adventure style games, you tend to be more interested in             arcade style games.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I've seen Acid but I haven't tried it.            > Acid's wonderful. I'll burn you a CD of some stuff that I put             together for fun.            > Are you farthest along on Single Dragon?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Mayan adventure could in             combination of colors in the wheel before it will blow.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> And of course lots of boards are needed.            > For this software development, we could meet here, at this chat             room.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That project has a sound track that needs             work.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That would be fine Scott. Email is also a             useful tool.            > If we utilize the CD-ROM format for sound, I could burB.> Finally here. I must of reactivated the window. Hang on             I'll be right back.            > Okey dokey.            <Guy B.> I'm back.             > What type of game do you want to create?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would say that I am farthest along on "Spin             Baby!" but it is hard to tell since I haven't taken a formal             design approach. Single Dragon was a project that was made with you             helping me in mind.            <Guy B.> Bob, Jeanene's ionventions the first one, AC02 and AC08. Been             attending the others since then.            <BobS> too bad! was our first one, and we got broke in....so to             speak!            > Have you played Streets of Rage?            <BobS> Rich & Frances were great hosts            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I showed a version of it at my session in the             last AdamCon. I could FAX you my presentation notes.            > Or e-mail me them.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Uh oh. The  them for? Large environments.            > Absolutely huge environments.            > And animation.            <BobS> hpe they find the problem!            <Guy B.> Dale, Any word on the location of AC12?????            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Annimation and sound samples are good             candidates.             > Have you ever played Final Fight CD for the Sega CD?            <BobS> Howard Johnson Motel!!!!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The problem is that you have to coose between                  <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes, I've been working on an update this             afternoon. It is almost done.            <Guy B.> So, all of us are looking forward to getting our             reservations in for AC12 then?            > Dale, it sounds like we have alot more to discuss.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'll be publishing a registration form and be             looking for checks. :-)            > Should we meet in the chat room again later in the week?            <Guy B.> Bob> No, I missed AC02. I was getting fitted for my Cochlear             Implant that year.            > Does this take place in a limited map of a downtown city?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I haven';t tried final fight.            > Have a Sega CD?            > I have an extra copy.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Nope. No sega CD.            > Genesis?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I planned to have a looping streetscape on             the first level.            <Guy B.> Missed three cn the hospital. Got a very bad back.            <BobS> oh, oh, serious????            > Sorry to hear about that, Guy.            > Dale, let's make this easy. Let's do Single Dragon.            <Guy B.> Yeah, it is. She's going to have an MRI tomorrow.            > But call it something else.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> What would you use the 64k exapnder for with             a SuperGame? It is all written with overlays which are read             in as needed.            > What would you usehistory just reset.            <BobS> hmmmm, didn't remember youmissed #8            > Don't worry. I have it all.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The theme for the AdamCon is "Dinosaurs into             the Millinium"            <Guy B.> Yep, had to miss that one.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> They are hand sketches, so I'll have to try             and scan them.            <Guy B.> Dale, you going to be updating the website shortly?            > Just saved the transcript of the Chat so far.       the two. When sound samples are playing, everything             else stops.            <BobS> near the Ramada where AC02 was held            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> How do you want to start?            <BobS> were you at AC02 Guy????            > That is the ultimate "Single Dragon" type of game.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Do you need a design document for what is             designed so far?            > Yes, give me an idea what's in the first level or environment.            <Guy B., how's your hand now?            > Yes, how's that hand?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, sure. I'll email you some materials             first. Then go from there. Would that be okay?            <Guy B.> Great Dale, I'll be checking there soon.            > Sure. Somehow I need to get up to speed as to where the project             is.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> When would you be free tomorrow?            <BobS> one finger good! middle finger coming along; swelling down,           ey can swarm)...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Good guy is sprites+backgrounds for more             color fidelity.            > Gotcha.            > Any artwork completed?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Oh no. I scared them all off.            > Me too.            > I could design the user manual with PageMaker.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> 0 artwork. Except for a title screen. But you             want to rename it. I left the title screen at work...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> C 0Ch> Scott, we need to keep that SD project to a             managable size, and if there are bigger ideas we could shunt             them to a sequal.            > Do you have a script or story?            > Any artwork done?            <BobS> can see the end of the y are planning on moving in Apr             15ththing coming! the            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The bad guys need to be 24x40 at most...            <Guy B.> I bet Doug and Meeka are looking forward to that.            <Dinosaur D <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> But you will want a copy of my background for             scaling purposes. It is pretty nice.            > Names taken for this type of game: Bare Knuckle, Final Fight,            > Sounds good.            > Anything I can look at in the emulator?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> At the end of a level there is normally a             "Big Nasty" ,which can be bigger...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> because it doesn't need to have as many             versions available. inosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich was here earlier.            <BobS> I gotta split also fellas            <Guy B.> Guessed I missed him.            <BobS> see ya next week????            <Guy B.> See you then.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure. If I'm free then.            > So the character is a few sprites drawn with the foreground,             leaving the background unaltered?            > Lost Bob too.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The bad guys are entirely background (so that             th  looks normal size 'cept for this rather big scar with a nasty             acab on it            > For now, I could design some sprites for you.            <BobS> and of course tender and not much feeling yet            <Guy B.> Aiee! Watch that very carefully there. You got to be more             careful with those tools.            > How large are your characters going to be? 16X32?            <BobS> NO keeeding!            <Guy B.> By the way. How's the house coming?            <Dinosaur Dale/AI'll have to post it on my web site for you             to look at.            > Let's put together sort of a "proposal" outlining what the project             is and what needs to be done.            > I could send it to you via e-mail.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Definately.            > Let's rename the game, shall we?            > Single Dragon is obviously a working title.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Neil made some prototype artwork but nothing             improtant....           ale/AC 0Ch> and the good guy can be 32x48...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'll explain the restrictions in email. It             used blended sprite and background...            > I presume we want multicolored characters.            > Okay.            <Guy B.> OK, guys, I got to go. Looks like rich didn't make it             tonight. See you next week.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> With a variety of colours.            > Leaving so soon?            <BobS> Rich was here.....            <D           > Yes, a Boss character.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes in the emulator. It is on my laptop...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> at work tonight though.            > Sounds like we need to research a name,            > and brainstorm some preliminary ideas for the game.            > This engine that's developed can then be used for other projects.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I envision a main character who on level 1 is             introduced to a ...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> We could start with a standard fighting game,             then reuse the basic engine for more original ideas.            > We can be very creative with it and take liberties with how things             look.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Futuristic is always good. Lots of fun for             graphics.            > I'm still trying to think of ways to make it sound more             interesting...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The bigest restriction is that I want it to                > I don't know why...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Makes it more complex. Maybe we should leave             it for a higher level, then add it as time warrents.            > Okay.            > We could also make it futuristic.            > That would be my preference.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That is an interesting thought.            > Maybe he's a cop trying to fight his way out of the city?            > Or a criminal trying to escape a prison?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Ch> If we are focussing on the Emulator as our             target then the sky is the limit. But I want it to work on             "standard" Adam hardware.            > Ok. So we'll limit ourselves to 160K.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> My compression code can get 10:1 compression             or better depending.            > Wow.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I can usually fit a slide or map in a tiny             amount of space then decompress it as it is needed.            > So how do weCh> It really is at it's essence a martial arts             fighting game.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would be happy with a playable game either             way. A few puzzles are alway good to throw in the fray.            > Okay.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'm flexible on the (borad) details, which is             why I wanted to collorate on this one.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> broad details that is.            > I like the futuristic element to it.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> damsel in distress to rescue or something.            > We should both go out independently and collect ideas then meet up             in a couple of days to discuss progress.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Then, waves of bad guys need to be combated             against with karate style moves.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Okay.            > Or perhaps our hero could be a superhero? Scale walls?            > Of course, for some reason, Spiderman just entered into my mind...         fit on a 160k media. But I'm pretty clever with compression, so it             shouldn't be too bad.            > A standard beat-em up has already been done.            > Why stop with 160K?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That is the standard format for a SuperGame.             With the prototyping I've done so far, I find it is quite             expressive...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It offers a good trade-off between load speed             and variety.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0It could do that in some levels, and look             like the wild west on others. Depending on how sophistocated. It             is the same to me either way.            > Any weapons in the game?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I don't know. Maybe a fighting stick or             num-chucks...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> that sort of thing.            > Do we want this just to be a standard beat-em up or try to create             something a little original?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0 get started on this?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I managed to fit a 6k title screen for Single             DRAGON into <1k.            > That's pretty good compression!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well, I'll send you my plan for graphics. I             have it written up around here somewhere. I'll have to look for it.            > So, is our main character trying to conquer a bad area in a city?            > He wanders through different areas of a map that is presented at             t warning though, I gave up going to movies after Gone             with             the Wind            > It looks like quite an OCR job.            > The text isn't going to be easy to OCR.            <rich> Yeah,  I imagine you're going to have some fun with them            >  It  looks like the entire project was done  on  an ADAM -- am I             correct?            <rich>  Still  it's better than the  photocopies  run from those masters            > True.            >  Rick told me that he rday...            > Okay. See you Saturday.            > What time?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure. How about mid day for you ...            > 2pm EST?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> You are -2 hours from me right?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure 2pm EST.            > Yes, so it's 12noon for me.            > Okay, sounds good. See ya then.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Great.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Bye for now.            the Wickster???            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Hiya.            <rich> Hey Dale, have you chosen a hotel yet?            > Wow. It's an honor to have you here, Dale.            > Inquiring minds want to know...            <Dinosaur  Dale/AC 0Ch> It is going to be the  Howard Johnston             Triumph. We sign the papers on Friday.            > What's the date?            <rich> The one at Keele and Wilson?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I have Bulletin 2 almost done.            <Dinosaur М1 Ч67Chat            3/15/00            In attendance:  Scott Gordon,  Dale Wick,  Rich Clee, Bob Slopsema and             Guy Bona            > You beat me here.            > Rich, are you there?            <rich> Hi and welcome            > Rich, phone home...            > Isn't that what I should be saying???            <rich> Yeah, I'm lurking right there waiting for you            > Hey -- I recieved the masters for The ADAM Resource Directory             yesterday.            <rich> Fairhe start of each level?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I think that the rescue a damsel in destress             will stand until you get a better suggestion.            > Okay. Let's each go off and gather ideas, then meet up again.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The goal is to get to the hiding place for             the kidnapped victim.            > When would be a good time? I'm thinking of Saturday.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Talk to you later.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Satureally enjoyed coming to  the chat room last             week.            <rich> I really don't know what computers wre used            > I wouldn't be surprised to see him again tonight.            <rich>  I  should certainly hope so - hope  he  comes back tonite            > He should.            <rich>  Any  new  faces we can bring  in  are  really welcome            > So, how are you liking the new chat room?            > Oh my god...            <rich> Well look who's hee            > Is that > Bye. boards are needed.            > For this software development, we could meet here, at this chat             room.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That project has a sound track that needs             work.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That would be fine Scott. Email is also a             useful tool.            > If we utilize the CD-ROM format for sound, I could burDale/AC 0Ch> Yes Keel and Wilson.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> (Keele)            >  Cool.  I'll post it in my news section once you're done...            <rich> That's just terrific for me            <Dinosaur  Dale/AC  0Ch>  July  20-23  as   mentioned several time on the             mailing list.            > So this date is firm...            <rich>  It's  practically  walking distance  from  my place, Scott            <Dinosaur  Dale/AC 0Ch> Date is rock solid as of  Feb 26.            > s due out  with Bulletin 2             tonight.            <rich>  Also  teh nearest east to the Ramada we  used for Adamcon 02            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Searching the web using search engines...            <rich> Right opposite Ontario Provincial Police HQ  - keep your halo             on straight!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> How long did you want for TAR and web sites             in general?            <BobS> TRIPMPH hotel.....???            > Dale -- any hardware/software unvieling lined up...            > What've you got so far?            <rich>  how  to  take apart and  reassemble  an  Adam printer without too             many screws left over            <Dinosaur  Dale/AC  0Ch> Let me start by asking  what was your             presentation?  I have the time blocked out,  but  the topic isn't             written             in///            <Dinosaur  Dale/AC 0Ch> We are doing a Hands-on  LOGO lab...            <rich> had to get the paper tray lever unstuck - that took  oftware.            > I have a new OS I'm developing...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> So far I have only 1 keynote. As you'll see             in the bulletin there are still some topics to fill in.            <BobS> need a session slot for ADAMBOMB2             > But I have no idea if it could make it to ADAMCON -- big             undertaking...            <rich> Do you expect to have it ready in time?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> What are the objectives of the OS?            <BobS> AND a el for             Adamcon            <Dinosaur  Dale/AC  0Ch> There is a  Geneology  topic under             consideration...            >  Well,  we need a presentation on The ADAM Resource and ADAM             websites in general...            <BobS> which is??????            <BobS> AND Dale!!! need registration form for ANN             > For me too!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Howard Johnston Tripmph  Hotel near Rich's             place.            <Dinosaur  Dale/AC 0Ch> The reg form iThis is good news.            <rich>  I may have to walk - or else book a troom  to get parking            <Dinosaur   Dale/AC   0Ch>  Scott,   can   you   keep transcripts of these chat             sessions?            > So,  any idea what we've got planned for the agenda for ADAMCON 0C?            > I have last week's. I just forgot to send it to the list.            <rich> Maybe I'll volunteer to do a seminar            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes,  definatley we have  some good topics            s?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Also transfering files...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> "Triumph"            <rich> You mean Adam to DOS and back?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> There is a demo night on Friday for any new             software/hardware...            > It could be a short session -- probably 30 minutes.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Will you be using some of that time?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I am as always working on some possible             hardware and s           disassembly            <BobS> YO dudes !!!!            <BobS> ???????            >  If this is in July,  I will probrably have my  new XLR digital             camera to record some of the 'CON.            <Dinosaur    Dale/AC    0Ch>   Creating    artificial intelligences (AI             non-player characters) for SuperGAMES            <rich> Hi Bob - you're late            > Hey Bob.            <BobS> well, not much!!            <rich> Should have been here earlier - we've got  teh hotslot for swapping files from dos 2 adam & vice cersa            > I could give a product demo of The Font Suite, but my website's             kept my very busy.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> AdamBomb2? What do you want to tal;k about?            <BobS> show the solution so Richard gets excited about playing it!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> We are planning to have a game contest of             some sort. Maybe AdamBomb2 could fit into this some how.            <BobS> hints, tips tricks, etc or me to create projects from scratch.            > It can be adopted later.            <rich> Dale, I think I can find 3 or 4 320s and a 720, maybe another             720            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> By whom? My opinion is that a development             tool that builds on EOS/OS7 is a better focus of effort.            > I want to learn how to build one anyway...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, please email the list to             dmwick@home.com.            > Problem is, I don't lir.            <rich> We also need a session on how I can email you guys lots of PD             Adam software            > Dale -- I'll tell you what I'm presently working on...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Maybe I could talk to Jill about doing a             short session on how to solve "large map" games.            > The Font Suite, Millenium OS, The Animation Studio, Untitled Paint             Program, Dragon Master and Untitled Halloween game.            > There's also my own tools I'm devectory structures, among             other things...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> My approach is to use tools that make that             easy to manage complexity. Only the file system drivers in             EOS bother me.            <rich> Any use for an LC hard disc, Dale?            > I don't like most of the routines. Like the Write VRAM. I have             programs that need to call this routines hundreds of times. So I             tweaked the routine for            > optimum performance.ractions...            <rich> Does size matter. Dale?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would say that the OS is the lowest             priority...an OS with no software isn't as useful as the software.             IMHO            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, I prefer 320k but others are all fine.            <rich> Yes, Dale, but given a new OS it may allow much better             software to be written            > It's an OS for my own software development that will make it             easier f           <rich> Dale, how many Adams are you going to need?            <BobS> too long for conventnion!            > I don't want to talk a whole lot about the OS (did that in a             previous chat session), but it will be a completely graphics             oriented             operating system.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Allready schedules (re: swapping files from             AdaM to DOS)            > We need a session on creating your own disk images for The ADAM             Emulatoke EOS 7.            > That's why I'm putting together Millenium.            <rich> Depends on what new capabilities the new OS may offer. It has             to be superior to be preferred            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That's fine. Are you going to use an existing             file system?            > The focus is improving software development...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Writing an OS is always an itneresting             project.            > Yes, I will be able to read/write EOS direloping for internal development             as well.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, I more need a "Sargent at Arms" who             makes sure the systems work. I'm mostly looking for disk             drives on loan. Could you email me a list of disk- drives that you             could lend?            <rich> Personal preference: priority to the OS, balance when that's             done            > Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get to it because of my site             and other dist            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, possibly. Which reminds me Scott, what             is the latest update on the IDE slot 3 drivers? MTAG and             you were hoping to manufacture some.            > Software drivers or printing boards?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The write VRAM routine has delays due to             hardware wait states for reliable bulk writes on all video chips.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> If you remove all delays, it will work             faster, but drop oud any preconfigured harddisk             software, then you can have any copy. It is free.            > That would be the ideal format for Dragon Master.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> My CDROM project should come together. I need             to set a deadline for submissions for sometime in             June...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would like any .submissions that you are             willing to offer.            > Did you get it working?            > Right now, I'm only willing to     <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> He made some interesting improvements. And             facilities for other hardware drivers.            > I removed the jump (or was it a call?) and eliminated an             instruction or two to make it more speedy.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It is used with AdamServ...            > Just getting the routine a couple instructions shorter helps             improve performance on my graphic intensive programs.            > No, haven't seen EOS 7. I'd be interested..OM support for the             Adam. I've actually been working on creating a collection             of Adam software on a CD-ROM.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I haven't been working on hardware support             for a CD-ROM lately.            > Yes. The ability to talk to the CD-ROM and tell it to play a             track.            > My father said that the hardrive interface could be modified to             handle a CD-ROM.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well, my native Adam CD-ROM sormally             because it needs to be configured for your setup...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> But there are 4 standard configuratons. The             bigest issue is harddisk configuration of commercial             software.            <rich> Hope Dr. D. comes to the convention then. I have an             interesting XT            <rich> But I still have to haggle with George and Herman            > What about your CD-ROM project, Dale?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> If you don't neet bytes here and there.            > It also has an unnecessary jump to a routine that's like what -- 6             or 7 lines of code before jumping back.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I know, because I've sped it up for some of             my annimation projects, and it doesn't work reliably on all             Adams. :-(            > No -- the delay isn't where it needs to be tweaked.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> HAve you looked at Rich Drushel's EOS version             7 project?        commit to a presentation of my             website. Everything else depends on how far along I am...            <rich> Remember my offer, Dale            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> What would be the ideal format for Dragon             Master?            > CD-ROM...            > I'd like the CD-ROM to handle the background music out speakers,             not through ADAM's internal sound chip.            > Which, I figure, yours does anyway...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Ahh. You mean native CD-R.            <rich> Does Adamserv really exist or is it just a prototype?            > What do you have in the pipeline, Dale?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> which uses a serial port link to a PC to adds             harddrives and other PC hardware to the Adam.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> AdamServ is generally available but ...            > How many boards do you want to print?            > And what are your plans for them?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> you need to get it from HLM/GMK nupport does do             background playing of music....            <BobS> HOT DA*M that would be sumthin!!!!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> but I didn't think that it was a real             priority.            <rich> How do you manage the intefrface?            > I don't know a lot about CD-ROM issues, that's why I'm asking you.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It is support of transfering data that is my             real proirty, but I plan on completing my collection of Adam             rCON.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I can't demo to you over chat, now can I?            <rich> Very good, Dale, we have a lot of ground to cover            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well, you're not exactly a short drive from             me, are you Scott.            > Not exactly.            > That's a real bummer.            <rich> Hey, it's only about three days            > Dale- forgot to ask- how do you like how my site's evolving???            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes software control wouion of the Low Cost Hard             Disc interface card?            > The idea is to unveil Dragon Master at say ADAMCON 13 or 14, that             can play audio through a CD-ROM interface.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes Rich with the standard Low Cost Hard Disk             (slot 3) card            > How many do you want to print?            <rich> The Low Cost is a slot 1 card            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, I can demo that much at AdamCon for             you.            <Dinosas always been pretty             interesting.            > And about half a dozen or so new articles.            > Brings the grand total of online articles up to 111.            <rich> Has he transferred and closed down the original or are you             mirroring?            > He's completely down. If it wasn't for my site, there would be no             web presence for Geoff Oltman right now.            <rich> Don't push it too fast, Scott. It's sometimes good if             visitors find a new  <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes.            > So if we loaded up the program, then inserted an audio disk, the             program could tell it when to start and stop tracks?            > This is what I'm looking for.            > And this would be an event exclusive to ADAMCON.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, I'll have to meet with you sometime.             I'll phone you early next week and pick a time.            > We create this awesome ADAM setup only to be experienced at             ADAMesources on CD-ROM first.            <rich> Dale, what software do you need that I can supply?            > If you can read a file from CD-ROM, why can't you do something             easier, such as give it a command to play a track out to an             external speaker?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> CD-ROMs use IDE to communicate. I simply             added it as a slave device             <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The Adam supports IDE devices.            <rich> Would that be through some variatld have a play track,             start track, pause, stop, etc.            > And you've got the software to do this?            <rich> Scott, I see you have Geoff's pages and the index looks             interesting            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, your site looks good. I haven't looked             around in about 2 weeks. Anythnig major since then?            > Yeah - well it's now the home of Geoff Oltman's Coleco ADAM             Pages...            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Geoff's site haur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, you said we could do a minimum run of             about 50.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, I can do the background audio play             now.            > But Dragon Master needs to be able to control when to start and             stop playing the music and which tracks.            > Really?            > You can do this now?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, you would have start, stop, and track             select control via software. No problem.           treat every time            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Do you collect web stats on visits?            <rich> Is he going back up again and will he be mirroring you?            > If you notice Rich, Guy Cousineau's EOS manual is part of the             site. I went ahead and left it as is so that you could talk to him             about             this.            <rich> Didn't see that but my concern is top guard ANNs interests            > He did get permission from Guy to put it up. I'm sure he's nottopped            > He has stopped working on the Chat Room?]            <rich>  He  has more than a few things on  his  plate              right now and doesn't  need that            <BobSlopsema> well gees, WHERE is the world?????            > Does everyone else know to stop by here?            <rich> Maybe someone should open the Delphi room  and              post a cross-refernce to here            <rich> Or no, that won't work, will it?            <BobSlopsema> hey, don't look at me!         r one.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Does anyone have other suggestions for             topics? Is the proposed Geneology topic a good idea?            <rich> Since I'm busy printing out a 170 page PDF document, I know             what you mean!            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> (Back to AdamCon)            > Guy also gave me permission to reprint any of his work, but since             ANN has plenty of stock on his manual, I'm not interested in             having it online.            <rich> Oe?            > A jealous mistress?            <rich> Go look at another one and she'll swat you  in                the memory            > Ahhh!            <rich> Every time I exit here I get a General Protec               tion Fault            > BTW, who is Meeka anyway? How is she related?            > I hadn't met here until I went to Delphi.            <rich> Go ahead, Bob, brag            > Bob?            > Are you alive?            <rich> He's typing shy two fingers, which may explain  М1 Ч70Chat            2/23/00 In attendance: Scott Gordon, Rich Clee and Bob Slopsema.            Wednesday Chat - 2/23/00            <rich> the guy you went for might not win            <rich> so why not at least try for the less offensive              second choice?            <BobSlopsema> true.....            > It is a graveyard at Delphi...            <rich> Was the room even open?            > Nope.            <rich>  Not surprised - Michael had it automateed but              I think has s             aware of ANN's position.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I plan on putting up a copy of Guy's manual             as a mirror.            <rich> Guy holds the copyright but ANN bought his stock for resale            > I kinda am caught in the middle of it and want Geoff to resolve             this issue with ANN.            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Guy is the copyright holder. It is up to him,             as far as I'm concerned. An electronic document doesn't             replace a pape   > We have to catch them as they come in, right?            <BobSlopsema>  when  i try to open both at  the  same              time i get bounced!            > Same here...            <rich>  Meeka knows,  and I'm sure Ron does,  and  no              doubt Guy if his computer is working            > Who was here last week?            <rich>  The  Volcano applett appears to be a  jealous              mistress            <rich>  Bob  and Meeka and I;  and Ron did  come  in,                didn't hther than the manual, ANN has no monetary interests at stake            > You know, Rich -- I still haven't gotten around to promoting your             software company on my site. That's my fault...            <rich> The software of course is another matter            <rich> It's OK Scott, us old folks have patience            > So Dale, you want to print about 50 boards, eh?            <Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes. Can to start the ball rolling on that?             > I have the schematics.               delays            > Shy two fingers?            <rich>  He may also have gone away for a minute  - he                sometimes does            > Well, nothing new went up on the site this weekend,                but I was able to program the entire time.            > It was nice.            <rich>  Had  a close encounter with a circular saw  -                they're still there barely, but kinda unservicable            > Ouch! Didn't know about that...            <BobSlopsema> was seill be...            > It will be completely visual.            > Never leaving the HGR2 graphics mode.            > More like Windows, less like GoDOS            <BobSlopsema> and you can boot all programs, etc?????            > It will know what to do with EOS applications.            <rich> how about writing in support for a USB                attachment for the bus  connector?            > Entirely possible...            <BobSlopsema>  RICHARD,  and lete all that ibnm stuff                inva no problems...            <rich> going to take about a five minute break            > Yet...            <BobSlopsema> Meeka is my daughter in law;  son Dougs                bride.....            <BobSlopsema> you'll like Doug,  he's a computer  nut                like ya'll            > Ah!            <rich>  No  chat problems for me - it's great  except                teh crash when I leave                        >  And she designed the ADAMCON  t-shirts                or something like that?        went away            > There's an article on my site about the ADAM  Mouse                that was developed awhile back?            <BobSlopsema> from a Commodore mouse, right???            <rich> yes, I have one I got recently - haven't tried                it though            > The article didn't say :(            <rich> no, this was built by a guy with an electro               nics shop in Saskatchewan            >  The  Font  Suite will be the first  full  featured                prog    <BobSlopsema> that's it!!!!!            > It's at the ADAM Resource.            > It's under the Misc category.            <BobSlopsema>  that's the guy!  sent him a couple  t-               shirts for his effort            > Facinating article...            >  As you know,  I'm working on a Visual  Development                system.            <BobSlopsema> which is????            > Millenium.            <BobSlopsema> actual complete new os for ADAM???            > Not complete yet, but it wnding meassages to Guy,             <rich>  I'm busy trying to reconfigure my computer  -                you wouldn't believe  what's going on            <BobSlopsema>  was sending messages to Guy,  Ron  and                Jean Stone to come here            > Have any of you had any problems using Volano Chat?            <rich>  I'm having trouble with a duff knee and  have                sat in one  position too long            <BobSlopsema> yea fingers.....OUCH!!!!!            > I got right in --de thre ADAM environment?????? ;-)            <BobSlopsema> farn dingers!!!!!            <rich> Hey,  maybe we could have a mouse, or printer,                or scanner,  or....            > I'd love a mouse.            <rich> though I think there might be memory problems            <BobSlopsema> scanner would be nice.............            <BobSlopsema> mice are here,  but not acting like the                ibm mice do....            <rich> there is an Adam mouse, it just never sold and                    > Wow! Your computer crashes??            > I guess so.            <BobSlopsema>  nope,  actually  a guy  named  .......                uh...... Bob Miller (?)             did some LOGO work at the hotel he worked at an  used                it on the tv  sets....            > Bob - programming is coming along good.             <BobSlopsema> then he resurfaced long enough to sub               mit the AC11 design            > Bob Jones?            > He wrote an article on that...        ram to use the  new Millenium OS.            > I would like it ready for ADAMCON.            <rich> this is sounding neater by the minute            > What I realised when writing my software...            >  was  that EOS wasn't optimized and there  was  too                much graphicwise that I needed            > in each project.            <rich> yes, the EOS and whole Adam was a rush job            >  So  I decided to rewrite the EOS and  remove  that                which I didn't need.     opsema> FANTASTIC!!!!!!! :-)            >  The  Font  Suite will use this  OS,  but  will  be standalone. The full             version  of  Millenium  will  have  The  Font   Suite integrated into it.            >  Millenium  also will disassemble (working on  that right now),             assemble,   edit  anything  graphically,   manipulate files, etc.            <rich>  I assume then that these will  be  separately loadable modules            >  One  program  I'm looking forward  to  writing  is take the file structure,  how will it work with             existing             software?            > It will be able to read both :)            <rich>  You're going to do this with only 64K of  RAM to play in?            > 64+64K Expansion for the development environment.            <rich>  OK,  there  are  still a  few  64K  expanders available here and             there            >  The  Expansion memory is up to the  programmer  to utilize...            <rich>  There  are  clues in  Sol  Swift'do  a  little  programming,  then suddenly get the             urge to edit a FontSet.  At the stroke of a key,  you can leave             one tool            >  and  enter  another.  Or  you can  return  to  the desktop. All of this             is in RAM -- extremely quick.            > I'll also be taking advantage of the hardrive.            > Why edit with SmartWRITER when this tool will do it for you?            <rich>  Will  you be making up a new driver  for  teh hard disc, then?            >baord            > Like I said, it's up to the programmer.            > Sounds interesting...            <rich>  I wouldn't be shy about making an  extra  ^$k effectively             mandatory            <rich> that's 64K            <BobSlopsema> in canadianese???????            <BobSlopsema> ;-)            >  Millenium  helps  the  programmer  choose  the  OS routines they need...            <rich>  See,  Bob,  I can do it with no more than one bandage on one             finger            <BobSl       <rich>  still,  there are limits to what you  can  do                with a 256 x 192  screen            > I haven't touched the DOS (Disk Operating System) yet.            > When I do, there will be a new file structure as well.            <rich> Maybe you can pick up some stuff from the emulator            <rich>  it seems to support just about anything one's                likely to want            >  You'd be amazed what you can do with that  256X192 screen.            <rich> If you changing an HTML file             and   creating  a  SmartWRITER  document  out  of  it (stripping             away the code).            >  These will be separate  modules,  but  integrated. Leave one, enter             another. Paste items to a clip board, etc.            <BobSlopsema>  THAT cna be done with a lot of editing in             Smertwriter.......            <rich> Is that worth it when Adam runs out of support for anything             over a 2400 baud modem?            >  Say  you want to s  work  and SmartBASIC II, I             suspect            >  I've already accessed the 64K chip.  I know how to use it.            <BobSlopsema>   should  be  lots  of  64k   expanders available around the             continent            <rich>  By  the way,  I'm told you can also  get  64K memory expansion...            > The Font Suite won't need a 64K memory expander  to run.            <rich>  by  soldering on a mirroring set of chips  on the bottom of the             exising ones - back of  Probrably modifying the existing one, yes...            <BobSlopsema> don't know.......            <rich> I use mine so little that I am not sure of the capabilities            >  I'm  also developing a program that  will  take  a section of code and             create a SmartBASIC program out of it.            <rich>  but have had the impression an Adam hard disc is "strictly             storage" so to speak            <rich>  there  isn't anything in TDOS  that  supports hard disc caching,       in with the power supply; the MIB3 was much             better            > I HAD a 1.4            > Can't remember which I had.            > May have been an MIB3. Who knows?            <rich> Dale Wick has a 1.44            >   Anyways,   the   Millenium   Visual   Development Environment will be             extensive.            <rich>  If it were an MIB2 I suspect you'd remember - it needed the             upgrade            >  Basically  a  go anywhere,  do  anything  sort  of program.      e.            <BobSlopsema>  TDOS uses the hard disk just  like  an ibm does.......            > For the hardisk?            <rich> IBM uses disc caching on the fly; TDOS doesn't            >  But  I'm  just talking about IBM  file  structures here. The ability             to  look at the directory and anything on an  IBM  DD diskette.            <BobSlopsema>  ah,   when  ya'll  don't  have  enough memory; it swaps             stuff in and out, yes???            <rich> that's what I meant, Bob         multiple upgrades of Millenium as it develops.            <rich> In present circumstances,  pouring effort into the Adam is             dumb - but long term?            <rich>  There  does  already seem to be  a  collector market developing -             when do teh hot ordders arrive?            > Most of the program is already written,  it doesn't belong on my             shelf, does it?            <BobSlopsema>  what  was  the card which  had  the  2 serials, parallel             and the pow.            > Glad you remided me,  Rich. I need to try to find a high density             disk drive.            <rich> I think I have an available 720K MI,  but  for teh price -             where's my gun and mask?            > My idiot dad gave my drive, 1MB memory expander and my MIB2 to             Terry.            > I'll never know why. That was awhile ago, though.            > At least I have a hardrive!            > I've got a 720K drive, but not a 1.4            <rich> The MIB2 was a pa      is there?            > Man, we are the only people here!            <BobSlopsema>  strictly  sotroage as in  floppy  disk only you don't             remove it!            > Not sure, I need to study TDOS more in depth.            <BobSlopsema> storage......            >  Millenium will also be able to read TDOS  and  IBM diskettes.            <rich>  which  means that Scott will have to do  some major BIOS work             to pull this off            > Just need to look at there file structur      <BobSlopsema>   MIB2   had   the   connector    which piggybacked into the             power supply connection right???!            <rich> right, Bob            > I think?? Can't remember...            >  I just remember it was my only link to an external printer.            > Now I just print on my IBM.            <rich>  I have an MIB3 in the company  stock  - maybe some day I'll buy             it for myself            >  I also plan to do a version 2.0 of The Font  Suite later and                > What makes you think ADAM can't also swap things in and out?            > Like editing a 200K text file?            <rich>  With provocation,  an IBM can read ADam discs including CPM            <rich> Probably a supported MI drive could be made to do the reverse            > For my personal use,  I need to bypass TDOS and  be able to read             both TDOS format and IBM.            <rich>  Unfortunately,  the  supply of MI drives  has dried up            > Using 22disk is just tediousermate HD connector on it?            <rich> That was the hard disc controller, which was a modified MIB3            >  Figured I'd finish it off since it's  a  wonderful tool and people             like Pat Herrington would get a kick out of it.            <rich> Back to my point - we already are encountering collector             users            <rich>   Many   of  them  do  have  quite  a   techie orientation            <rich>  How long till they atart looking for  upgrade parts?            <ricum is to be SmartBASIC,  EOS and TDOS             independent.            <rich> Well,  fundamentally,  the Adam is  SmartBASIC independent            >  Everything can fit into a tighter space with  more functionality,             so why not do it?            > True but currently, I'm not.            <rich>  and  if you have your own OS you  don't  need another            <rich> just as TDOS erases EOS when it's booted in            > I use SmartBASIC to run lots of testing...            > Exactlyyright violation  notice  from Nintendo?            > I can read Donkey Kong :)            > Donkey Kong Jr. :)            <BobSlopsema>  i  don't recall but it may  have  been scott that i was             joking to about my            >  My  frustration with EOS and SmartBASIC  was  that there was too much             wasted space.            >  and  it  didn't have the common  features  that  I needed. So not I'm             writing them myself...            <BobSlopsema>  did  you (Scott) get thI'm getting away from SmartBASIC...            > I'd like ADAM to boot to a desktop setup -- similar to Windows.             You have icons, wallpaper, etc. Eye Candy...            > We lost Rich?            <BobSlopsema> yup looks like it!            <BobSlopsema> hisname is gone from my screen            >   As  you  know,   I  could  go  on  and  on  about Millenium...            > Its applications, etc...            <BobSlopsema> yes........BUT remember, don't overwork yourslef and                   > The sound routines are buggy,  the  read/write/fill vram routines             aren't optimized, the cold boot -- what the hell am I going to             use that for once            > an application has already loaded.            <rich> set up a three-finger salute, maybe?            > The 1K bank at 56320 virtually serves no purpose to EOS's disk             operating system... see what I'm getting at?            <rich> no, but I'll take your word for it            >  The purpose of Millenih>  If they do the stuff Scott's working on  just might prove             quite popular            >  There's  also alot of people out there  who  would love the             opportunity to program a game for a console system -- like             ColecoVision.            <BobSlopsema> some are already doing it.....            > Millenium will provide this, among other things...            <BobSlopsema> anybody read Japanese???            > Some...            > Why?            <rich>  Expecting a cop...            <rich>   Is  it  worth  the  effort  to  tighten   up SmartBASIC, maybe do a             version lacking the routines you won't use?            > I'm not rewriting SmartBASIC...            > I'm just taking what I like and what works...            > Ditto for EOS and OS-7.            <rich>  Is there a tighter BASIC of those that run on Adam you could             use instead?            >  I believe Rich Drushel wrote the best  version  of BASIC out there,             but as I said, e message  from the guy in Japan             about the ColecoVision site???            > Oh yeah.            <rich> Migod - an 11K OS with wssted space?            > Great e-mail!            > Yes, LOTS of wasted space...            <rich> Bob,  if it's interesting would you forward  a copy to me?            > I don't use half of its routines...            <BobSlopsema> will do!            <rich>  I  know Tony and Guy kept looking for  usable holes but could             hardly ever find any      lose the FUN factor!!!!            > But I probrably should stop talking about it  since it's still in             development...            > There's alot of FUN Factor in Millenium.            > Millenium makes life a whole lot easier!            <BobSlopsema>  can't imagine why it won't work on  an ADAM just as it             works on other computers.....            <BobSlopsema> rich is BSACVK!!!!!            > Rich!            <rich> sorry guys - I crashed out with a GPF            <BobSlopse......            <rich> Frances is doing it more on the Amiga now            <BobSlopsema> get more time........            <rich> but at the moment is trying to make the new OS work            <BobSlopsema>  OR  get  a LOT younger  and  get  more energy!!!            >  I'll let you play with The Font Suite  at  ADAMCON and see what you             think.            <BobSlopsema> cool!!!!            > Basically, it can do ANYTHING with an 8X8 font.            <BobSlopsema>  and  you  can play  ADonce!            > If The Font Suite is ready for ADAMCON (my guess is it will be), I             plan to teach a class on how to use it.            <rich> I can get a crash on exit in either 3.1 or 95, Netscape or IE            > I'd almost need to, it can do alot...            <BobSlopsema> COOL!!!!            > Any of you used FontPOWER?            <BobSlopsema> at least you are not prejediced Rich            <rich> I'll look forward to that            <BobSlopsema> Fontpower,  think so,  but caorking on another package to edit sprites, focusing on             animation.            > Yes. Actually the interface is identical.            <rich> Again,  I think you'll find that's already  in Logo            >  As  you edit the font,  you can instantly see  the changes...            >  But LOGO isn't a great tool for someone who  wants to create             animation from image swapping.            <rich> I'll take your word for it. And, it's a memory hog            >  Play with delays,  multima> your choice Rich            > Any of you interested in designing your own fonts?            <rich> you had reasons to have a room at 09, Bob            <BobSlopsema> got lots already and no time! :-(            <rich> Frances does that sometimes            <BobSlopsema> reasons ..... be there; room doubled as hospitality             suite; be there,,,,,,,,,            > It's actually alot of fun.            > Guess I'll have to show you at the 'CON.            <BobSlopsema> gotta retire........ma> farn ibm's            <rich>  Java  just doesn't get along with my  machine for some reason            <rich> usually though it doesn't crash till I exit  a site            > Oh boy!            > Bob -- has it ever crashed for you?            > The only problems I've had is getting in!            <rich>  I  think  this has something to  do  with  my machine as it's OS             and browser independent            <BobSlopsema>  no crashes 'cept when i try to do  too many things at             AMBOMB2  and  be tutored by an             expert!!!!            >  You  can have multiple sets in memory at one  time and swap images             between the sets.            > I need to get a copy of that!            <rich> That would also design sprites, right?            <BobSlopsema> Rich sell the man a copy!            > Actually, it can be configured to edit sprites too.            > It's pretty flexible.            <rich> Just like the sprite edit module in SmartLOGO            > But I'm wn't recall why..........            <BobSlopsema> \or what it did.....            > Any of you going to appear at ADAMCON?            <BobSlopsema> yup!            > FontPOWER,  Digital Express,  edit fonts save out a font set, use             them in your own programs...            <BobSlopsema> all of us!!!!            <rich> will be there - I live there            <rich>  only  question,  do  I book a hotel  room  or commute from home            > Then you better be there!            <BobSlopseple animating multi  image swapping             animations...            <rich> All the gamer goodies            >  Can  LOGO look into cartridges and help  you  find Sprite sets?            <rich> As far as I know,  no.  That isn't what it was designed for            > There's a Sprite program that can,  but it  doesn't have the             animation routines that I need.            >  These  are  all things a programmer  needs  for  a Sprite toolkit.            > It's what I need.            > Or          <rich> OK Bob, give our best to Judy and the kids and see you next             week            <BobSlopsema> and hopefully more of us!!!!            > Oh, goodbye! Too bad you're leaving us!            > I'll e-mail you later, Bob.            <BobSlopsema>  tired almost falling asleep here...... :-)            > Okay. Bye...            <BobSlopsema> bye!            <rich> bye            <rich> looks like he's left us, Scott            > I have to bring pictures in another program just tos program, I may have it            > I actually had already dabbled in pulling font sets off of             SmartWRITER and OS-7 before reading about this.            > It's not a Walters Software program.            <rich>  Then  I'd have to look in  the  archive,  and that's like the             Augean stables            > All of these tools must be made if there is to be a Dragon Master.            >  Our  current crop of tools just don't cut  it  for serious             development.              > It's a good program, but frustrating...            <rich> Well,  that's something that hasn't changed on any computer             yet            >  You also can't edit HGR2 pictures.  Every  picture has to be an HGR             picture (in relation to size)            <rich> again, you're on unfamiliar turf for me            >  So what if you're me and want to create a  picture that uses that             entire screen. Can't really use PowerPAINT...            > Like I said, don't get me starte the hell with that and wrote my  own program to do             that!            > Finishing... that's the most important part...            <rich>  Isn't  that something that  could  have  been imported into             PowerPaint and edited?            <BobSlopsema> hey guys, gotta go here........            > PowerPAINT...  there's another one...  don't get me started...            >   Doesn't  even  have  white  available  from   the palette...            <BobSlopsema> see ya all next week???   should I say... want...            <rich>   This  is  something  beyond  just  a  screen capture, then?            >  Basically,  scan the cartridges memory for  Sprite sets.            > I think VisiSprite does it.            > Mine will as well.            > I probrably should pick up a copy of that as well.            > SpritePOWER just doesn't do it for me...            <rich> Who wrote VisiSprite?            > Can't remember, but there's a review on my site.            <rich> If it's a Walter add white...            >  Then there's that horrible title bar that it  puts on the left side             of EVERY picture...            <rich>  Haven't  used  Power  Paint  enough  to  have noticed that            >  I have to bring in another program just to  remove that!            >  You can't take sections of bit image and  move  it over one pixel!            <rich> Yes, that is a pain, though I think the sizing has something             to do with fitting it on a page for a printout          <rich> Like so many productions, doing teh job is the easy part, its             the geting ready...            > If you've ever used FontPOWER,  you'll know exactly what I mean...            <BobSlopsema> nd the finishing up!            <rich> yes, replacing the used fingers....            >  I had a set that I needed to adjust one  pixel  to the right for             each font.  If I were to use FontPOWER,  I would have to redraw             every single font manually!            >  So  I decidedd on PowerPAINT...            <rich> right, there is that limitation            > How much have you used it?           <rich>  I  guess Sol had other  things  in            mind when he wrote it            > I think so.            <rich>  Mainly  to set up the letterhead on my  price list, some other             small stuff            >  Too  bad he couldn't design it so that  you  would only have one             picture in memory but could do anything to it...            <rich> You have to remembeen't even hooked up yet            > Depends on how much time I have.            <rich> You're a working stiff, you have lots of time, not like us             old folks            > Well...            >   My  job  is  in  web  development  and   computer programming...            > So I'm around this stuff all day...            > Besides...            > I've got to finish some of these projects...            <rich> It makes a difference. We spend only our spare time playing             with our couse4 Speedywrite            > I have a copy of it,  but haven't used it.  I  know that it is good,             though.            <rich>   the  idea  is  to  get  prose  on  paper  in respectable form -             Smartwriter does that just fine            >  My  problem with programs like  Speedy  Write  and SmartWRITER...            <rich>  Some  of  the  folks in  463  Adam  swear  by Speedywrite - I just             don't need its extra talents            > You can't add graphics along side theour is getting on rather             rapidly            > If I have questions, I just ask my dad...            > Yes, I need to sign off to.            <rich>  I am going to have to make my exit and  crash (in more ways             than one)            > See ya later...            <rich> Will you be joining us again next week?            > Yes.            <rich> See you then. Night for now. e of my favorites.            >  I  would like to write a similar version  for  the ADAM.            > It would make my life easier...            <rich>  Yes,  it does have a number of features  that would be welcome            > Something like that will sneak into Millenium...            <rich>  but  you'd also have to write drivers for  DM and laser             printers            > But it probrably won't have any printer drivers  at first...            <rich> OK,  I have two inkjet printers I havr I'm not a heavy  computer user            > True..            > But a heavy ADAM user, right???            > Right.            <rich>   basically  to  me  a  computer  is  just   a typewriter that works             properly - usually            > So you're a wordprocessor type of user?            <rich> Mostly for Smartwriter            > Guess you use Speedy Write?            <rich>  yes,  my computer stuff is an outgrowth of my writing             activities            <rich> and no, I don't mputers            <rich>  They  are  just  a tool to  help  with  other aspects of our lives            > The Font Suite is practically complete,  minus  the bootstrap and             the disk routines...            <rich> I gather once you know how,  bott programs are fairly easy            <rich>  Wouldn't your father be able to give you some clues on the             disc management?            > Oh yeah...            > My father's the master...            <rich> You'll get there.  Anyway, the h text.            <rich> Yes,  that is what will yet coax me into using the IBM for WP            >  You can't bring in other fonts and print in  those fonts...            > WP?            > What about word...            <rich>  Power has its price - and its payoffs for the price            > Or even better...            > What about PageMaker???            > Pagemaker's only...            > $500.            <rich>  No,  just Clipboiard or Notepad or  Write  or Writepad            > Wordpad is onМ1 Ч67          > AOL's screwed up the file. I believe I won't have a problem with             my computer at work.            > I'm also giving Geoff access to my server to FTP.            <Rick> What is the "ADAM Resource Directory" and  how can I get a             copy?            <rich>  I've  heard  AOL have a limit  on  attachment sizes, maybe they             bobtailed it            <rich>  It's Adam Survival Guide and Scott will  have it up in a short             time            <rich> I mthe Adam -             the expertise at Coleco was limited            <Rick>  Lost  the  source to who  (or  should  I  say "whom")?            <rich>  But for instance I know the OS was apparently developed at             the University of Waterloo            > Well guys,  I gotta go. My girlfriend's on the line and I can't             really talk to her and write to you all that well.            <rich> I think he broke up with his wife and that was the start of             the problems           dition. Is that wrong??            <rich>  In order to keep the price in line,  I had to have it done at             a discount shop            > Sounds right to me.            <rich> That was in Staples early days here when  they had real deals             on mass photocopying            <rich>  Ah - I think there was a more or less excerpt of the ASG done             separately as the Resource directory            <rich> But now it is hopelessly out of date            > Lots of good articles thour aquaintance.            <rich> Look for you next week, Rick12            > Great! Then I'll talk to you tommorrow.            <Rick> Bye, Rich. Nice meeting you.            > Again, nice meeting you.            > Bye!            <rich> Ditto. Bye for now. I'm away.            <Rick> See ya, bye.            <AtariJoe> Hi Scott... Am I early or late? <G>            <AtariJoe> This is a test.            <AtariJoe> Okay, this is NOT a test. <grin>            <AtariJoe> Scott? Are you here?        the ADAM to compete  with  IBM's Jr.????            <rich>  But  then he ran into hard times  and  really broke up, left a             lot of people disappointed            <Rick> Keep going, Rich            <rich> Only Pat Herrington knows the full story            > Sol Swift did himself in with his GO-DOS  operating system that he             lost  the  source to,  then lost his client list  and then never             recovered.            <rich>  I believe HP wre subcontracted for some  work on ailed the masters to him several days ago            <Rick> I often have to send files to clients on  AOL, and it's always             a hassle.            > But Rick could help me OCR it...            <rich> Yes,  it's smal;l very black type; you'll need help I think            > I have an extra copy somewhere in my house...            <rich>  Yes,  but that's a photocopy reproduction and not a good one            <Rick>  On  your site,  it was  called  the  Resource Directory, second             e > Rick -- I'll contact you tommorrow.  If you'd  like we can meet             again in the chat room if you'd like.            > I'll also work on getting you some newsletters.            <rich>  OK Scott,  time to check my emails.  Look for the disc drive             when Uncle Sam's couriers deign to transport it            <Rick> Bye,  Scott.  And thanks.  My wife suggested I try this out and             now she's fallen asleep waiting for me!! I'll be back next week.            > Nice making yough.            <Rick> Okay, here's a question: Who was Solomon Swift and what             happened with him "making off" with paid orders???             Remember, I know nothing about a lot of this.            <rich> OK,  Sol Swift was an erratic genius who wrote some of the             best early Adam software            <rich>  He sold programs and published  "Nibbles  and Bits" for years            <Rick> Also, I read somewhere that HP/Hewlett Packard worked with             Coleco  to  develop      > Hey            > Are you still there?            > I wandered off for a moment            <AtariJoe> Oh good.  I was afraid that I was  messing something up.            > But I'm still here.            > No, not at all.            <AtariJoe>  No  problem.  I do the same thing  myself sometimes.            > Most of the people have already left.            > I'm still here updating my site.            > Glad you could make it.            <AtariJoe> Ah, the never-ending "hobby", <g>          ich>  I usually have to wait solong I don't connect till 9 these             days            > It's been a busy day for ADAM stuff.            <rich>  I noticed the exchanges on the  Adam  mailing list            >  Joe  Blenkle's reprints of ECN are coming  to  The ADAM Resource.            <rich> This is not a surprise, given the context            <rich> I'll bet Joe is delighted            > I've also got a guy who wants to help.            > Imagine that!            <rich>  I noticed that,  an            <AtariJoe> <g> Cleared THAT up, didn't I? <LOL>            > I know of a few good friends she had...            > Sol Swift, Tony Patterson...            <AtariJoe> Online buddy.  How's she doing?  I haven't talked to her             since I left CIS.            > I phoned her back in January.            >  She'd  just  been through  some  hard  times,  but sounded like she was             on the up and up.            <AtariJoe> I miss talking to her. She's a trip.           started.            <rich>  Now  I  just  have to  master  170  pages  of documentation            > What's System Commander?            >  Oh  yeah,  have  you sent out  the  ADAM  Resource Directory?            <rich>  It's  like Partition Magic but allows you  to span over             multiple             physical drives            <rich> You mean it hasn't got to you yet?            > Neat. (nerdy laugh)            > No.            > How long ago did you send it?            <rich> М1 Ч68Chat            3/8/00            by Joe Blenkle                        <rich> Hi! What took you so long?            > I've been here twice already.            > Then AOL decided not to work.            <rich> Oh? I've been here since 9 sharp            <rich> Ah yes - AOL            > Riiiiggghhhttt.            <rich> The Microsoft of ISPs            > I was here about 5 minutes before 9.            > And also a minute or so past.            > That's when AOL crapped out.            <r  >  We  never seem to get enough people  flow  through here.            > So, who is the infamous Atari Joe?            <AtariJoe> I haven't touched my site in so long  that I hate to go             back to it now.... TOO much work.            > Yeah, I know what you mean...            <AtariJoe> Remember that friend of PJ's back when she was still over             on CIS?            > I haven't updated mine in forever.            > Hmmm...            <AtariJoe> That was me.            > Friend?d there will maybe be more help too            >  I've  already tried my hand at OCRing  an  article from ECN.            > No major problems.            <rich> There's a return for helping,  you know  - you get to read and             save             the stuff your own=self            > I'd love to get more people involved.            > True.            <rich>  The time will come.  I've finally got  System Commander            >  I  don't have a complete collection  of  ECN,  but enough to get  orking on another package to edit sprites, focusing on             animation.            > Yes. Actually the interface is identical.            <rich> Again,  I think you'll find that's already  in Logo            >  As  you edit the font,  you can instantly see  the changes...            >  But LOGO isn't a great tool for someone who  wants to create             animation from image swapping.            <rich> I'll take your word for it. And, it's a memory hog            >  Play with delays,  multiIt's OK, the USPS quotes 4-6 weeks for surface parcels            > Good God!            <rich> So Happy Easter, it's your egg!            > 4-6 weeks?            > I'll be seeing that in June...            <rich> Go to USPS.GOV and see for yourself            > So...            >  We  have  Geoff Oltman's  resource  coming  to  my site...            > Joe Blenkle's resource coming to my site...            > The ADAM Resource Directory coming to my site...            > ANN coming to my site...   eople. I know names, but not faces.            <rich> Go to ADamcon.org,  look at the pictures,  and meet the whole             crew            <Rick> TIFs should be fine.            > Like I said in my e-mail, I have no problem sending you the             duplicates             of ECN.            > That way you have your own originals.            > We could probrably start there.            <Rick> That would be great.            > 4 of the issues have already been OCRed.            > By Joe Blento see you here!            > Did you get my e-mail?            <rich> Well,  text files are tiny.  Even pdf's aren't bad -             <Rick> Hi there. Yes, I did.            <rich> the SC manual is 170 pages and 550K in pdf            > Yeah, but the printability of the PDF is awesome!            <rich> Hey, didn't see Rick come in. Who dat man?            > Can you say *perfect*            > Did you look at the small article that I OCRed from ECN, Rick?            > Rick is the ADAM owner who wa  <rich>  Once  that's  done,  I  expect  to  have  the configuration to add             the             software to do useful Adam things            > How about this?            <Rick> What is System Commander. You have to remember that I've             been "away" for a long time.            > How about we create a Digital Newsletter version of it that would             look             as close...            > to the original as possible...            <rich> As I've told you,  Scott,  I have mahis Rich Druschell??  Did I  spell  that right?            > Newest member to the ADAM Community.            <rich> OK Rick, I'm Rich Clee            <rich>  Not  to be confused with  Dr.  D  - 50  years younger and 50 times                         smarter, he is            > The original scans, as in TIF images?            <rich> I think that is what my software produces, yes            <Rick> Hi Rich Clee. I've read about you. I feel like I've been             "observing"             all these p         <rich>  I  still like the dual mirrors idea  - as  in truck driver?            > Good God!            <rich>  The more the merrier;  hope you've got a  few terabytes of             space            > That's a helluvalot of resources.            > 50 MB. Enough?            <rich>  The more resources we can have together,  and the more big             chunks  of the together we can have spread  out  too, the better            > I've used only about 3-5.            > Rick!            > Glad kle, that is.            <rich> Before you came in,  Rick,  I was just telling Scott I know             have             System Commander            <rich>  It  will let me bring an additional  8.4  gig hard disc on line             with my             2.1 gig            <Rick> I would still like to get the issues that have been put on             Joe's             website,  just  to make sure that I can duplicate the original "look             and             feel".            > Wow.          nts to help OCR issues of ECN.            <rich>  Hey  Scott,  how  about introducing  our  new arrival?            > Sorry.            <Rick> Hi Rich.  Nice to meet you.  Scott, I did look at the article.             I would             like to get started OCR-ing as soon as I can get some issues.            > He's Rick Perron.            <rich>  How do you feel about OCRing if the  original scans are sent             to             you?            > All around nice-guy.            <Rick>  Is  tny  lineal shelf yards of             Adam             newsletters            >  Rich -- you're talking to the two people that  can help bring these                         resources to the web.            <rich>  System Commander is like Partition Magic  but spans multiple             physical discs            > We've both got OmniPage.            <Rick>  I  wanted  to  ask you  guys  just  how  many different newsletters             were there?  What were the names, and where were they located?            bulletin             board            > Do you have Acrobat Reader?            <Guy B.> So he finally gave in, eh!            <Rick> Scott, are you asking me?            > Yes, sorry, Rick -- Do you have Acrobat Reader?            <rich>  No gave in about it - when we started  having the [problems             with             Delphi,  he was part of the group that agreed to move as soon as we             found a better answer            <Rick>  Yes,  I use QuarkXPress to layout the  p            > St. Louis AUG, Emerald Coast AUG, Highlights...            > among others...            <rich>  And don't forget Ottawa and before that FCAUG in Montreal of             some ill fame            <Rick> I can't believe all those newsletters!!  After Coleco             abandoned             the Adam,  I assumed it was dead.  I guess I was dead wrong!            <rich> And David Cobley with VISA on the wet coast            > I haven't seen MTAG,  but my absolute favorite  has to be Nibble.> I wonder where Bob is tonight?            >  If  you  want  to check out  a  really  interesing newsletter for free,             don't             hesitate... Check it out...            <rich> Dunno - he implied in an email last nite  he'd be here            <Rick>  Scott,  I'm still back on XPress 3.3,  but am hoping to upgrade             to             either 4.0 or Adobe InDesign at some point.            > It's about 110K.            >  I had a chance to upgrade to In Design and  didn't seeo            > Inquiring minds want to know...            <Guy B.> I haven            <Guy B.> I haven't been able to get on.            <rich> Why? Are you on AOL too?            > Rick, have you taken a look at the October issue of Nibbles & Bits             on             my site?            <Guy  B.>  Delphi has been pretty empty the last  two weeks.            <Rick> Not yet,  Scott,  but I'll be sure to check it out.            <rich> Yes, Michael will knock down teh chat and keep it as our             > Oh boy...            <rich>  I  have Textbridge but if you can handle  the raw TIFs that             should             do it            > Nibbles & Bits, Garden of ADAM (hehe)...            > NIAD, ECN, Sprite Chaser, ADAMLink of Utah,            <rich> Alan Neeley had his in Salt Lake City, the St/ Louis group             had             one, Orlando,            > MTAG, MOAUG, ADAM'S House Newsletter, AUGment...            <rich>  MTAG in Toronto,  463 Adam in  Indiana  still goingages, and then             "distill"             them into PDF files for Acrobat Reader.            <Guy  B.> He was pretty upset about having the  chats moving from             Delphi to here.            <rich> Now that we have a better answer - well, if he weren't tied             up             with some personal affairs, he'd be here now            > Ah!  Quark is a great tool.  One of the few I don't have.            >  I'm telling you -- it's my masterpiece of  an  OCR job.            <Guy Bs &             Bits            <rich> Hey, Rick, I'm still using mine and have never quit            > Followed by NIAD, etc., etc., etc....            <Guy B.> Well, I'm here FINALLY!            > Guy!            > Can it be?            <rich>  Bloody  well about  time,  Guy!  What's  your excuse?            > Guy Bona, this is Rick Perron.            <Rick> Hi Guy. I'm new here.             <Guy B.> You don't want to know. Hi Rick.            <rich> You're probably right - I have those days to the need to.            <rich> I'm going to lurk for five minutes while  you- all talk            > I'm actually happy with PageMaker 6.5+            <Guy  B.> Probably got tied up with Doug's new house. Ok Scott.            > Rick -- are you a web developer?            <Rick> Since I'm new here: Where are you all located? I just moved             back to Maine after being in Nashville, Tennessee for ten years.            > I live in Denver, Colorado.            > Rich is from...            > What         <BobSlopsema>  gettin  better,   one  is  good  other trailing far behind            >  Hey Bob -- could you get me that issue of the  Feb ANN?            <rich>  Just  make sure you've got a real  good  tape drive available            > Oh yeah, Rick -- there was also ANN.            <rich> ANN isn't a newsleter, it's an anthology            >  One  of the largest ADAM support groups that  sent its articles on             Disk             or DDP.            <BobSlopsema> not yet scott..... one is there.            > Dreamweaver's an excellent product but there are  a few             drawbacks...            >  Especially when it comes to dragging and  dropping OCR work.            > It's really bad with the clipboard, ie, Cutting and Pasting             external data.            <Rick>  Hey  Rich.  My  grandparents  all  came  from Quebec. Canada's a             beautiful country.            > I use, of all things, Pagemill 3.0...            <rich> It sure is. But so is the U.S.     still ADAM news,             articles             and programs...            >   which   makes  up  the  content  of   an   actual newsletter...            <BobSlopsema>  too  busy at work....and then  there's doug's housr            <rich> Agreed,  Scott,  but as one of the founders  I know what we had             in             mind            >  Actually you're right...  It's not ONE newsletter, it's several...            > Yes, the monthly anthology...            <rich> It's basi ally reprint Rich.  Never been there,  but I hear it's really a great             place to             visit.            <BobSlopsema> hey dudes!!!!            <rich> Hi Bob how's the fingers?            > Rick -- you're job sounds fun.  I'm a web developer for TRW.            <BobSlopsema>  was here once,  but my  laptop  didn't have Java....            <Guy B.> Just checked Delphi. No one is there at all, so I closed             the             window.            > As I'm sure you already figured out...   's that country...            > Canada???            <rich> Toronto            > Country of Toronto?            <rich> ya            > :)            <Rick>  Scott,  I'm a graphic designer by  day.  CDs, cassettes, print             ads,             brochures,  etc.  I  am interested in  learning  more about web design. I                         hear Dream Weaver (??) is the program to get.            > Yes, I have the latest version. 3.0.            <Guy  B.> I'm on Delphi in another window.  Noam working on it...            <BobSlopsema> and march too....            > I beg to differ, Rich...            <Rick> ANN is still around,  right?? I haven't really gone through             the ANN             site.            <rich> Are they on your site for download, Bob?            <Guy B.> Any word from Dale about where the hotel  is going to be for                         AC12 yet?            <BobSlopsema> not yet, just lazy i guess            > If you discount the medium it's sent on, it's         >  I  use  Dreamweaver for site management  and  some editing but not for                         Cut&Paste.            <Rick> So Scott's in Denver, Rich is in Toronto where are you from,                         Guy?            > Who's that guy?            <rich> Been to Yellowstone?            > Could it be...            > ...a Slopsema...            <Guy B.> Yo Bob!            > ...a very,  very rare and dangerous predator of the Canadian             outback...            <Rick> No, s of Adam materials from other sources            <rich> Now we include the internet and stuff            >  Hey,  whatever  happened to  it's  founder,  oh... what's his name...            <Rick> I'll have to go to ANN later on.            > Got it on the tip of my tongue...            <rich> Barry Wilson, and we don't know            > Barry Wilson...            > Some of the ANN disks are on my site.            <BobSlopsema> wiil get to it this weekend scoot;  one finger and all            <richSlopsema> ;            <BobSlopsema> -            <BobSlopsema> ;-            <BobSlopsema> ;            <BobSlopsema> ;-)            <rich> Where is Meka tonight?            <rich> Meeka            <Guy  B.>  My sister was helping my mom cleaning  her place and I have             a Packard Bell 386 computer here in my kitchen.            <BobSlopsema>  prooly got home by now,  judy & i  got home about 9:20            <Guy B.> That was her computer. A demo.            <rich> What do you plan to d   was   "a" personality....            > What happened to your hand?            > Oh yeah, and who's scoot?            <BobSlopsema>   left  hand  soaking  2   fongers   in antiseptic; so only got                         one hand to type with            <rich>  I  always got along smoothly with  Barry  and liked him            <Guy B.> Bob, what happened to your hand? Did you cut it?            <BobSlopsema> and then fard dingers don't type well            > Yeah, Bob, you're holding out on us...            >  Rick,  I'm not sure if you're aware of all of  the technology             developed             for the ADAM...            <BobSlopsema> got a386 setup w/ 4 srives & it makes a great copy             macine for diska & transferring between tdos & dos            <Guy B.> The 386 has Win 3.0,  Lotus 123 and DOS  5.0 and the HD is             85Mb. It won't even run Win95            <rich> Bet he hasn't even found the emulator yet            >  Awhile ago,  my father manufactured a hardr            <Guy B.> How bad was it?            <rich> And went out and pursued it as well            <BobSlopsema> ring finger notr bad; middle almost off            <BobSlopsema> be summer before it is back to normal            > Sorry to hear that, Bob.            > It's good to hear you'll be back to normal in a few months.            <rich> Let's be glad it's gettable back to normal            <BobSlopsema> me too             <Guy B.> Oh man, you won't be doing that ever again.            <Bob> He was a difficult personality but I never had any problems             with             him            > Actually there's two.            > Some of the articles are also from ANN.            <Guy  B.> Barry Wilson sent me a whole slew  of  Adam software a few             years ago that no longer wanted.            <rich> I have a complete set thru about 1997 or 98            >  One finger and all?  Wait a minute...  Did I  miss something here?            <BobSlopsema>   let's   just   say  barryo with it?            <BobSlopsema> work great to be a slave for adam            <rich> Naw, a simple XT will do as ana Adam server            <Guy B.> Right now,  I don't know yet.  I may use the monitor for the             486.  I  have a brand new Panasonic 24 pin color  dot matrix printer.            <Guy B.> That I might hook up to my Pentium and the 9 Pin color may             go to the 486.            <rich>  Put  DOS  on it,  a 1.2 hard  disc  with  two partitions, and run             games            <Guy  B.>  How come you don't let Judy do the  typing tonight?            <BobSlopsema> tried to top off middle 2 w/ power  saw about 1             mi=onth ago            > Barry had some great ideas...            <rich> And he wasn't bad with the execution either            > Ouch! I'm sorry. Ugh!            <rich> Would accept help when he needed it            <BobSlopsema>  cause  she  is  soaking  1  finger  w/ infection too            > I have an article or two of his on my site...ive for the ADAM called             the PowerMate...            <Guy  B.> I don't think the emulator will  work  very well with the             386, but             it will with the 486.            <BobSlopsema> gott have 486 for emultor don't ya??            >  Marcel  de  Kogel developed an ADAM  Emulator  for Windows...            <rich> That's what the docs say, but I've heard a 386 can handle it            <Guy B.> At least that.            <Rick> This is pretty new to me, Scott. Why don't you remember that the hotel was fairly easy to find, right off Highway 401. Along with this ADAMCON information, we have some text captures   from the weekly conferences held WED eves @ 9PM EST on the web at THE ADAM RESOURCE hosted by Scott Gordon.  We had previously been meeting on Delphi, but switched due to technical problems with Delphi's server.  Anyway, it gives you an idea of what goes on during all those conference calls when you cannot attend in person.  BUT!  we would like some more particiaption  do you get your old programs to run  with the emulator.             I've             transfered most of what I have to 1.44 ADAM floppies.            <rich>  I'd  love  to set up my 386 as  a  device  to transfer Adam files             to             DOS but don't know how            > What do you have for your ADAM, Rick? erfect*            > Did you look at the small article that I OCRed from ECN, Rick?            > Rick is the ADAM owner who wa            >  Rick,  I'm not sure if you're aware of all of  the technology             developed             for the ADAM...            <BobSlopsema> got a386 setup w/ 4 srives & it makes a great copy             macine for diska & transferring between tdos & dos            <Guy B.> The 386 has Win 3.0,  Lotus 123 and DOS  5.0 and the HD is             85Mb. It won't even run Win95            <rich> Bet he hasn't even found the emulator yet            >  Awhile ago,  my father manufactured a hardrМ1 Ч67              APRIL 2000 ADAM NEWS NETWORK DISK^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This month we have some late breaking news on ADAMCON with a tentative activity schedule for the convention; registration form for those ready to make those reservations (it's NOT too early); AND the chosen location.  The location just announced is the Howard Johnson TRIUMPH Hotel just around the corner from the Ramada INN where ADAMCON 02 was held.  For those who attended AC02, you will bring me up to                         date on what's available.            > Rich Drushel got the ADAM Server up and running...            > Geez... where to start?            <Guy B.> Scott, the emulator runs under DOS.            <Rick> What is the Adam Server??            > Your right. DOS.            > But you don't have to leave Windows.            > As in reboot in MS-DOS.            <Guy B.> It works better stand alone, but you can run it from             Windows.            <Rick>  Howin the Wed evening conferences, so why don't you see if you can't make it some week!  Use that infernal dos machine; get on the web; goto: http://www.theadamresource.com  and follow the path thru the site to the chatroom.  We'd love to see it swamped; usually we get only about 4 maybe 5 people per week.Plan NOW to come to ADAMCON OC (12) this summer in Toronto and mail those registrations in soon!!  SEE YOU THERE!!!!nts to help OCR issues of ECN.            <rich>  Hey  Scott,  how  about introducing  our  new arrival?            > Sorry.            <Rick> Hi Rich.  Nice to meet you.  Scott, I did look at the article.             I would             like to get started OCR-ing as soon as I can get some issues.            > He's Rick Perron.            <rich>  How do you feel about OCRing if the  original scans are sent             to             you?            > All around nice-guy.            <Rick>  Is  tМ1 Ч68                    ADAMCON OCh REGISTRATION FORM             "Dinosaurs into the new Millenium"Please fill out this form and submit it BY MAIL with a registration fee(s) in US or Canadian funds. US prices are marked with $US and Canadian prices are marked with $CA. AdamCon runs from July 20 (Thurs eve) to July 23 (Sun eve).   Accomodations include Thursday night through Sunday night. For extra days, please phone me at (416)-225-5884 for pricing. Lunch is provided with full attendee and a d bring me up to                         date on what's available.            > Rich Drushel got the ADAM Server up and running...            > Geez... where to start?            <Guy B.> Scott, the emulator runs under DOS.            <Rick> What is the Adam Server??            > Your right. DOS.            > But you don't have to leave Windows.            > As in reboot in MS-DOS.            <Guy B.> It works better stand alone, but you can run it from             Windows.            <Rick>  How_____                                               $224CA Spouse (4 nights, 3 bkfst, banquet)                             ______  x $200US = ______                                               $280CADay pass (includes lunch)            ______  x  $40CA = ______Banquet only                         ______  x  $50CA = ______AdamCon T-shirts: size ______   size ______  x  $10US = ______                ( S  M  L  XL XXL 3XL 4XL )     $14CAAdamCon hats:                      ________  x   $6US = ___         Hands on LOGO     with search engines  (tentative)                by Neil Wick     (MTAG)Geneology (tenative) ----------------------------------------------------------------- 12 noon              Lunch (provided) ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2PM AdamBomb 2 hints      Keynote:"Why old      The ADAM RESOURCE    and tips by           computers are still   & Adam websites    Jillian Arnott        interesting"          by Scott Gordon3PM Transfer utilities    com    416-225-5884 (home) or 416-451-2697 (cell/work)                Send feedback to Dale Wick h the             386, but             it will with the 486.            <BobSlopsema> gott have 486 for emultor don't ya??            >  Marcel  de  Kogel developed an ADAM  Emulator  for Windows...            <rich> That's what the docs say, but I've heard a 386 can handle it            <Guy B.> At least that.            <Rick> This is pretty new to me, Scott. 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